On the contrary, the Brits seemed to care very much about the Islamic world. I don't believe Islam per se was their concern, as it is today, but of the Ottoman Empire. The empire has already reached it's zenith, and was beginning a slow decline, but it was still a formidable enemy, and covered an immense territory, including substantial parts of the North Africa, the Middle East and Central Europe.
The British Empire, however, was beginning its expansion, but the Ottoman Empire posed an immense obstacle. The alignement with Wahhab and the early Saudis was merely part of their infamous "Divide and Conquer" strategy, whereby they fomented a sect within Islam to dupe the Muslims of the Peninsula into declaring the rest of the Muslim world apostates, and to carry out "Jihad" against them.
The details of the relationship are provided in two texts:
'but Wahhabism was created by the British, in the eighteenth century, to undermine Islam'
I would have though the British didn't give two hoots about islam a few centuries ago; it was just the ideology of an underachieving people that had fallen way behind them.
As for creating this source of misery for millions called Wahhabism, I had thought a psychopath named abd-al-WAHHAB was its malignant author. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhibism
...and without the oil billions, Sodi Arabia would be a big fat modern zero, thanks to this maniac.
Sufism is a legitimate Islamic Sunni practice, which has been extensively testified to by many Muslim scholars over the centuries. In fact, true Sufism extends back in its basic principles to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.
On the other hand, yes, there are Sufi-claimers such as the proponents of pantheism, and yes those would be anthropomorphic in doctrine and hence possibly influenced by the Sabians. But these Sufi-claimers are not legitimate Sufis, rather they are Satanists that claim the cover of Sufism in order to deceive into their ways.
Hey Greygor,
"Kill all the unbelievers", please cite your source and then I'll refer you to thousands of material that explain the context.. British and CIA agent in modern islamic history, you ask? Why, the oil? Why not let Arabs sell it the way they want to sell it?? Also, why not let everybody take the booty of their land's growth to their homes? African diamonds, Arab oil and opium from Afghanistan.. That's one if the reason why they've started playing dirty. By the way, its not just historical view that bring to this conclusion. Without viewing the occult agenda, its difficult to even fathom why are the westerners interfering with the muslim lands.. Its not clash of civilization (Muslim - christian), but its definitely luceferian doctrine against the Abrahamic religion. And for the most part till now, Lucifer's winning...
Thanks and regards,
Arshad
It is true but unfortunate that this manipulation will help to enslave the U.S. as well as the world. With the BP oil spill unresolved, I'm certain that cap and trade legislation will fly through congress. How convenient for the power elites. Their one world plan moves that much closer to completion. It is a sad state of affairs. Thank you for the insight David.
Thank you very much for the truth.
Fetullah the mafiosi is so big in Turkey in the mean time, who talks against him ends up in jail or being murdered. Like Dr. Necip Hablemitoglu who had detailed reports about him.
So the truth you reveal is not shocking to many of us (Turks).
I highly recommend reading Cummins' The Wahhabi Mission. It would have better if such a book were written by a Muslim, but it's symptomatic of the sorry condition we are in that Muslims today could not write such a book. In fact, his book is not even critical of Wahhabism.
Rather, it is the history of Wahhabism itslef that is the most incriminating. And Cummins also explore the various relationships that the Wahhabis maintained, and that with the Deobandis was the most long-lasting and pronounced. But their modern relationship was even more intimate. The CIA's strategy was to create a generation of Afghani and Pakistani Islamic militants who could serve their purposes. This was accomplished by the establishment of numerous Deobandi maddrasses along the Afghan border in Pakistan, all funded by Saudi Arabia. The product was the Taliban.
But don't look at the political leanings of this or that group to determie if they are rightly guided. This is how a lot of Muslims were fooled by al Quaeda and other Jihadi organizations, because they are seemingly the only group standing up to the excesses of Zionism. This is always how we have been fooled. And our enemies know how to fool us this way. Judge each organization by their beliefs.
The Qur'an says, when you are asked to say who you are, say you are "Muslim". That is, "those who submit to Allah". We are not supposed to have names in Islam, like Salafi, Wahhabi, Deobandi, Tablighi and so on. We are only Muslim. And the right guidance is to follow a Mathhab. And a Mathhab is not a sect. We know that all the Mathhabs are equally regarded as belonging to Sunni Islam.
There is not a lot of literature to refer to in our time, espcially not in English. That's part of our punishment for having let things slide to this extent. But as Muslims, and basically any other human being, we have to learn to decide matters for ourselves. On the Day of Judgement, you will not be forgiven because you did something because so and so told you so. Like belief in Islam itself, it's something you hve to decide for yourself that you believe. And that's what the Qur'an means when we are told to say we are "those who submit themselves to God."
Hey David,
I'm the same guy who asked the very first question on this article. Those 3 questions and also the guy who requested you the ebook of "The Dying God". I really need help that pertains to this article and the previous questions I've asked. I want to concentrate on the Wahabbis, Deobandis (semi sufis) and Barelvi (total sufis). And in the regard, I'd like to know where to get unbiased and verifiable information on the subject. Some book or some research done on these three topics would really help. Especially, Deobandis. According to my information, they have always stood on moderate level. Things that are specific to deobandis are :
1) Freedom struggle against british in India (1857). Many of the ulemas died fighting against british, during the 1857 revolt in india and Maulana Qasim Nanadvi (Founder of deoband madarassa) started it to ensure hindrance to the secularisation of muslim ummah by the british.
2) They are against Wahabbism by being traditionalist.
3) They stand against Barelvis (or total misguided sufism) by dividing the line between innovation and traditional islam
4) They support the Tablighi Jamaat movement (non political, revivalist movement), which is currently the only movement that is not politicized and is only concentrating on following the deen-ul-islam, by adhering to each and every sunnah of Prophet Muhammed (SAWS).
They couldn't have been supported by Wahabbis during the its early stages, because Arab nationalism was unknown at that period. Its only during the early 20th century, the British were able to defeat Turkey in World War I and empower the Saudi government. Before that, current Saudi government was fighting for its survival and the deoband madarassa was already famous by then.
Also, Indian government has special regards for this madarassa, due their support for the freedom struggle and their stance against partitioning of India and diaspora of India muslims. They also have release Fatwa against terrorism. They have vehemently opposed the philosophy of Maududi (jamaat -e islami) as well as muslim brotherhood.
In light of all of this, it becomes inappropriate to think that they were working along with the conspiracy of Wahabbism. The only place Deoband and Wahabbis stand together is against innovations like grave worship. Those are the doctrinal matters.
I'd really like to know where to look for information. I've just started studying alternative and world history. I currently want to focus the world of Islam and Indian subcontinent from historical, religious influence and development of thought perspective
Sorry for such a long post. But it's important.
Thanks
Arshad
this is in response to the review of the lost symbol. the face of the matter is that in this book dan brown tries to tell people that instead of idol worship or thinking that there is an external thing called god, he tries to tell that we human beings have the divine within us. we all have god in us. we all have the good and the evil and it depends on us on how to use it. the book is thrilling and engages the reader .
Ataturk was not Albanian and was not Mason also was not member of young turks.he saved us from disintegration and blessed all turks with great independency]]]]]please know our history properly.the resources you are using about turkey all based on armenians...
Those of you, who are really looking forward to learn the facts about Fethullah Gulen and the Gulen Movement can visit the following links to get accurate information. Fethullah Gulen Movement Fethullah Gulen
Thanks for the detailed answer. It's tragic the degree to which these deviations have so penetrated Islam in both Pakistan and India. But I believe this is attributable to those 2 countries being among the first to be so fully dominated by the British. In fact, there was a spread of "revivalism" across the MIddle East starting in the middle of the nineteenth century. But particularly, aside from Egypt, in India and Pakistan.
In fact, of these various splinters, the one that was most closely associated with Wahhabism from the very beginning was the Deobandis. This continued into the 20th century, and it was Saudi Arabia who financed the proliferation of "madrassas" along the border with Afghanistan, run by Deonbandis, where the Taliban were indoctrinated.
The one point the Wahhabis have always used is "saint worship". It is a questionable practice, and so yes they have had success is luring other Muslims into their brand of fanaticism. But they themselves bring far worse innovations, particularly the abandonment of the traditional schools of jurisprudence (Mathhabs).
Free from these traditional constraints, they are able to re-invent Islam at will. And this is the Taliban version of Islam. It's an absurd caricature of Islam. It's a very terrible shame. But the fact is, they were a tool of the Pakistani government to colonlze Afghanistan. in fact, the only reason the Islamic rebel groups in Afghanistan had any success at all was for the windfall of billions of aid and military equipment poured on the "mujahideen" by Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the CIA. (often funded through drugs). But when the various groups started to bicker, Pakistan and Saudi Arabi (and the Americans) saw the Taliban as an opportunity to unify the country, and stabalize it for trade with the rest of Central Asia.
The Taliban did not stop drug production. They did for a while. But some say, like Masood, only to corner the market. It's well documented that they then monopolized the massive drug trade in the country (with the excuse that it was allowed if sold to non-Muslims).
Now to answer your questions:
1. Ismailis and Assassins were Gnostics, and taught the worship of Lucifer in their highest grades. I don't think their "persecution" justifies their resorting to terrorism.
2. The entire CIA project, following the suggestion from Brzezinski (himself influenced by Bernard Lewis) was to employ the MB in Afghanistan against the Russians. Of the proliferation of rebel groups, it was all MB affiliated groups which they chose to support, particularly Hekmetyar. This was all coordinated with the assistance of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. And bin Laden was the one to deliver funds. He's made out to have been a warrior in Afghanistan, but he did not fight. Mostly, he was carrying funds there on behalf of his sponsors, like Saudi intelligence. It was only later that the Americans began to build up his reputation as a "leader". But you look at the entire architecture of terrorism financing, and it is internationally integrated with all MB affiliated organizations, and fully supported by Western interests. It's too convoluted for al Qaeda to extricate itself from it.
3. Yes, it's a tragic irony that the only articulate opponents to Wahhabism these days are the Sufis. But the Sufis themselves only represent the appropriation of the occult into Islam. In fact, their sources were mostly the occult and pagan Sabians of Harran, who are the bridge for the transfer of occult knowledge from antiquity to the European Middle Ages.
As salaam alaikum,
I'm from India, where all the sects and differences are available and no body truly dominates the other. So its quite easier here to assess things from different sources. The problem that I have seen as the reason for the acceptance of Wahabbism is that they confront the other innovation in traditional Islam; like grave worship. You see, here in India, there are 3 major school of thought: 1) Wahabbis or Salafis (Mostly led by Jamaat e Islamia or Islamic Research Foundation), 2) Deobandi (Traditional Islam based on madh'habs, but without the innovation of grave or saint worshipping, mostly associated with Tablighi Jamaat and Deoband's famous madarassa) and 3) Barelvi (Traditional Islam based on madh'habs with the varying degree of innovations found and includes the majority population of the Indian Subcontinent, Asia minor and south east asia). The reason why Salafis or Wahabbism is propogating so quickly is because they have a very good argument or facade that they are following exactly what Prophet and his companions did. That makes them look far more legitimate body and their stance against innovations (although what they did itself is an innovation) is far more appealing to thinking young minds in the Islamic domain. It was good that you brought about the link between British intrigue and Wahabbi movement and I've read your book, its milestone in the research on world conspiracy. However, there are some things I'd like to discuss, for example,
1. Ismailis are the assassins, we know that much. But the reason why they had to become assassins is not that devious. Because, they were a persecuted sect and they had no ability to protect themselves with the army (until later till the Fatimids arrived and after their collapse). So they were really not that devious in assassinating politically important people. Atleast, it saved people from war (which takes more life) and they never targetted civillians. Not like the terrorists we see today. So there cannot be a comparison.
2. The link between Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda is not entirely clear, besides, the Taliban are not fitting the bill. They infact stopped opium production. The world knows that it faced a crisis and had to depend too much on central and south America for Opium, till Taliban existed. Also, the Taliban is not aligned to the Wahabbi school of thought. They are traditionalist, who mostly follow Hanafi Mazhab. Then why would they be part of the Wahabbi and muslim brotherhood orchestrated conspiracies.
3. The other aspect is Sufism. Its influence is seen most vividly on all the traditional schools and wahabbi's call it a heresy. There are too many things in Sufism that either borders on innovation or heresy and sometimes go beyond the borders. The other interesting aspect is that like Kabbalists, Sufis also believe in the pantheistic aspect of Godhood, in order words, Wajibatul - Wujud (I may be incorrect in spelling it). There is also a lot of speculation that the sufism that is heretical has its root in Shia'ism, which itself was a Jewish Intrigue during the time of Caliph Usman, Ali and Muai'wiya; perpetuated by Abdullah ibn Saba. Therefore, I really am very interested in Gnostic literature of Kabbalah and Sufism as they are to some or large extent similar. And I guess the deviation or subversive movements had infiltrated Islam right from the time of Caliphs.
These are either my conclusions based on my own research or imporvement after reading your book. I guess if you have time we can discuss on this, on this blog or some forum with a new thread. I'd really appreciate it.
Thanks anyways for the wonderful book that opens a new dimension to this research. You have no idea how inspired and awe struck I am by your work.
Thanks
it's hardly the place to write this, but i was wandering who if there is any one who knows good books about plots against Africa or the third world (we are extremely malinformed and there is no way of freely downloading a descent book)
i completely agree with the review
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I can tell by some of the comments you have your work cut out for you dispensing the truth. There are a lot of trendy, gullible people out there. Great site,loaded with info.
I just wanted to let everyone know here that Anatoly Fomenko, Russian author of the "History: Fiction or Science?" series, speculates that the real grave of Jesus exists at the foot of Mount Beykos (or Beykoz), near Constantinople, on the shore of the Bosphorous, where he was also crucified. He also believes that Jesus was born in the year we know as 1153 AD and was crucified in 1185 AD. He also believes that historical accounts of "Rome" and "Jerusalem" were often referring to the city we know today as Constantinople, though those names have referred to other cities as well. (The Italian "Rome", he claims, was nothing more than a small town prior to the 1300s AD).
This grave is known as "The grave of Joshua, son of Nun". Locals identify him as "St. Joshua", and the site is a holy place for current Muslims, and was also an important site to visit for the European Crusaders.
You may balk at how insane that all sounds at first, but I figured I'd let you know about it because this is a conspiracy site. Despite Fomenko's flawed and sometimes downright stupid books (--he proposes in his 4th book that the western coast of America was occupied by Russians prior to European colonization), I believe the bulk of what he says: that the history of real events has been inflated, relocated, and duplicated (both accidentally and intentionally) along the chronological timeline, and thus all the so called "dark ages", periods of decline and chaos, were fabricated to fill these gaps. He believes what we know as "Antiquity" are just misinterpreted reflections of the real medieval events, which are known but less famous parts of history.
It is believable to me mainly because of my mistrust in humanity-- the idea is, people distorted and remixed history at every stage in order to support the validity of current ruling powers. I can't remember why he claims that the church wanted to push Jesus's time back a thousand years, but I think that's how it started. The Council of Trent was a key turning point in this, and apparently there was a bitter struggle between those who were trying to push the new "Scaligerian" chronology, and those who knew of the real history of the world, which is why the Council persisted for 18 years, from 1545 to 1563 (Book 1, pg 359), where Fomenko also claims the official texts of the Bible were established. It is astounding to learn in his books of the dubious and scanty evidence that our pillars of chronology (The "Roman Empire", as well as the Greeks and Egyptians) are currently based on.
As for how this massively distorted historical conception may serve the global elite, I don't know. But it's to their advantage to keep us as much in the dark as possible. They probably just let it continue because they wouldn't want people to know the extent of deception humanity is capable of.
ya i accept it, its true to a very great extent, who would like to share power. The only thing thats keeping this bizarre group alive is the hidden meaning the real fact................ once they loose that or once others know that then their value goes down under the dogs feet
It has been rightly said that Ibn Taymiyya has been instrumental in misleading a huge number of muslims to doom.Any person in his right senses can see through this fabrication when they claim that god has limbs body etc. Sits on a throne with one place vacant for Holy prophet etc. It is like any Hindu or a christian god. Islam is clear in defnition of God and till Ibn Taymiyya no one had atributed feauters to him.
Next regards to Abdul Wahab being a british agent is wrong but the British with their plan for breaking the Ottoman empire had a 100 year plan clearly laid out through which they tried to create divisions among muslims all over the world and unfortunately one of their spy Hempher trapped him in his freindship & inculcated wrong ideals in him which later became huge with it being formed Wahabism.
I would want a clarification from the Salafis. DO you really beleive god is as described by Ibn Taymiyya.
DO you think Holy prophet is like any normal human.
Did he not have ilm-e-ghaib (THen how was it that Islam came through PBH Rassolallah rather than being directly brought on earth) God is powerful is it not?
How did he see the angels with his naked eyes.
How did he see god & negotiate with regards to the prayers being limited to 5 than the earlier order.
All 4 Madhabs have links right from prophet till now but Salafis claim that Islam was polluted after 3rd generation for 600 years then based on what have the Salafis purified Islam? Based on Ibn Taymiyya.
Well I believe in Quran & Hadith.But Salafis are selective in Hadith & selective in the translation of Quran which suits their idelogy.If you are speaking of correct chain i would like to know that Hadith collection started only 230 years after the death of Prophet. Means to Say six generations had passed and lot of corruption crept in.Can any of you remember what your grandfather has said leave great great grandfather 6 generation behind. It is only Faith Right?
Out of collection of 6 lacs Hadith only few hundred are right eliminating repitition then the percentage wise 99.96% is wrong.
So dear brothers in Islam please stop this bull of practicing puritan Islam and follow the mainstream like Ahl-e-sunnah.
That's a beautiful but chilling Cree prophecy - so true. I think we are sons and daughters of God, manifestations of God, and we will bring our lessons we've learned back to God when we are done reincarnating. But we are not the whole of God, just a small splinter of God who is enjoying or learning.
on the highest level all THEY Illim.keep their hands together they know the plan the plot. On the lower levels they created shism, wars, one against each other..so nobody will know what is right or wrong..Creating chaos and many versions of the same thing. In the middle not many understand the story which is going on
Those up there see the pattern of what is happening while we dow the pyramid fight..even in opur famlilies.
It is time to laeve the personal point of view in the life.
Time to leave the bottom of the pyramide..it will in the end fall....remeber they count on us to sustain their mess
On the contrary, the Brits seemed to care very much about the Islamic world. I don't believe Islam per se was their concern, as it is today, but of the Ottoman Empire. The empire has already reached it's zenith, and was beginning a slow decline, but it was still a formidable enemy, and covered an immense territory, including substantial parts of the North Africa, the Middle East and Central Europe.
The British Empire, however, was beginning its expansion, but the Ottoman Empire posed an immense obstacle. The alignement with Wahhab and the early Saudis was merely part of their infamous "Divide and Conquer" strategy, whereby they fomented a sect within Islam to dupe the Muslims of the Peninsula into declaring the rest of the Muslim world apostates, and to carry out "Jihad" against them.
The details of the relationship are provided in two texts:
Part Two: The Beginning and Spreading of Wahhabism, by Ayyub Sabri Pasha [1888 -1893]
Memoirs Of Mr. Hempher, The British Spy To The Middle East [part 1]
Memoirs Of Mr. Hempher, The British Spy To The Middle East [part 2]
'but Wahhabism was created by the British, in the eighteenth century, to undermine Islam'
I would have though the British didn't give two hoots about islam a few centuries ago; it was just the ideology of an underachieving people that had fallen way behind them.
As for creating this source of misery for millions called Wahhabism, I had thought a psychopath named abd-al-WAHHAB was its malignant author.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhibism
...and without the oil billions, Sodi Arabia would be a big fat modern zero, thanks to this maniac.
Sufism is a legitimate Islamic Sunni practice, which has been extensively testified to by many Muslim scholars over the centuries. In fact, true Sufism extends back in its basic principles to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.
On the other hand, yes, there are Sufi-claimers such as the proponents of pantheism, and yes those would be anthropomorphic in doctrine and hence possibly influenced by the Sabians. But these Sufi-claimers are not legitimate Sufis, rather they are Satanists that claim the cover of Sufism in order to deceive into their ways.
Hey Greygor,
"Kill all the unbelievers", please cite your source and then I'll refer you to thousands of material that explain the context.. British and CIA agent in modern islamic history, you ask? Why, the oil? Why not let Arabs sell it the way they want to sell it?? Also, why not let everybody take the booty of their land's growth to their homes? African diamonds, Arab oil and opium from Afghanistan.. That's one if the reason why they've started playing dirty. By the way, its not just historical view that bring to this conclusion. Without viewing the occult agenda, its difficult to even fathom why are the westerners interfering with the muslim lands.. Its not clash of civilization (Muslim - christian), but its definitely luceferian doctrine against the Abrahamic religion. And for the most part till now, Lucifer's winning...
Thanks and regards,
Arshad
It is true but unfortunate that this manipulation will help to enslave the U.S. as well as the world. With the BP oil spill unresolved, I'm certain that cap and trade legislation will fly through congress. How convenient for the power elites. Their one world plan moves that much closer to completion. It is a sad state of affairs. Thank you for the insight David.
Dear David,
Thank you very much for the truth.
Fetullah the mafiosi is so big in Turkey in the mean time, who talks against him ends up in jail or being murdered. Like Dr. Necip Hablemitoglu who had detailed reports about him.
So the truth you reveal is not shocking to many of us (Turks).
Dear Arshad,
I highly recommend reading Cummins' The Wahhabi Mission. It would have better if such a book were written by a Muslim, but it's symptomatic of the sorry condition we are in that Muslims today could not write such a book. In fact, his book is not even critical of Wahhabism.
Rather, it is the history of Wahhabism itslef that is the most incriminating. And Cummins also explore the various relationships that the Wahhabis maintained, and that with the Deobandis was the most long-lasting and pronounced. But their modern relationship was even more intimate. The CIA's strategy was to create a generation of Afghani and Pakistani Islamic militants who could serve their purposes. This was accomplished by the establishment of numerous Deobandi maddrasses along the Afghan border in Pakistan, all funded by Saudi Arabia. The product was the Taliban.
But don't look at the political leanings of this or that group to determie if they are rightly guided. This is how a lot of Muslims were fooled by al Quaeda and other Jihadi organizations, because they are seemingly the only group standing up to the excesses of Zionism. This is always how we have been fooled. And our enemies know how to fool us this way. Judge each organization by their beliefs.
The Qur'an says, when you are asked to say who you are, say you are "Muslim". That is, "those who submit to Allah". We are not supposed to have names in Islam, like Salafi, Wahhabi, Deobandi, Tablighi and so on. We are only Muslim. And the right guidance is to follow a Mathhab. And a Mathhab is not a sect. We know that all the Mathhabs are equally regarded as belonging to Sunni Islam.
There is not a lot of literature to refer to in our time, espcially not in English. That's part of our punishment for having let things slide to this extent. But as Muslims, and basically any other human being, we have to learn to decide matters for ourselves. On the Day of Judgement, you will not be forgiven because you did something because so and so told you so. Like belief in Islam itself, it's something you hve to decide for yourself that you believe. And that's what the Qur'an means when we are told to say we are "those who submit themselves to God."
Hey David,
I'm the same guy who asked the very first question on this article. Those 3 questions and also the guy who requested you the ebook of "The Dying God". I really need help that pertains to this article and the previous questions I've asked. I want to concentrate on the Wahabbis, Deobandis (semi sufis) and Barelvi (total sufis). And in the regard, I'd like to know where to get unbiased and verifiable information on the subject. Some book or some research done on these three topics would really help. Especially, Deobandis. According to my information, they have always stood on moderate level. Things that are specific to deobandis are :
1) Freedom struggle against british in India (1857). Many of the ulemas died fighting against british, during the 1857 revolt in india and Maulana Qasim Nanadvi (Founder of deoband madarassa) started it to ensure hindrance to the secularisation of muslim ummah by the british.
2) They are against Wahabbism by being traditionalist.
3) They stand against Barelvis (or total misguided sufism) by dividing the line between innovation and traditional islam
4) They support the Tablighi Jamaat movement (non political, revivalist movement), which is currently the only movement that is not politicized and is only concentrating on following the deen-ul-islam, by adhering to each and every sunnah of Prophet Muhammed (SAWS).
They couldn't have been supported by Wahabbis during the its early stages, because Arab nationalism was unknown at that period. Its only during the early 20th century, the British were able to defeat Turkey in World War I and empower the Saudi government. Before that, current Saudi government was fighting for its survival and the deoband madarassa was already famous by then.
Also, Indian government has special regards for this madarassa, due their support for the freedom struggle and their stance against partitioning of India and diaspora of India muslims. They also have release Fatwa against terrorism. They have vehemently opposed the philosophy of Maududi (jamaat -e islami) as well as muslim brotherhood.
In light of all of this, it becomes inappropriate to think that they were working along with the conspiracy of Wahabbism. The only place Deoband and Wahabbis stand together is against innovations like grave worship. Those are the doctrinal matters.
I'd really like to know where to look for information. I've just started studying alternative and world history. I currently want to focus the world of Islam and Indian subcontinent from historical, religious influence and development of thought perspective
Sorry for such a long post. But it's important.
Thanks
Arshad
this is in response to the review of the lost symbol. the face of the matter is that in this book dan brown tries to tell people that instead of idol worship or thinking that there is an external thing called god, he tries to tell that we human beings have the divine within us. we all have god in us. we all have the good and the evil and it depends on us on how to use it. the book is thrilling and engages the reader .
Ataturk was not Albanian and was not Mason also was not member of young turks.he saved us from disintegration and blessed all turks with great independency]]]]]please know our history properly.the resources you are using about turkey all based on armenians...
orientus speculus infernum, hocolu jesuit perfaga intruscous flatorious gusto.
Those of you, who are really looking forward to learn the facts about Fethullah Gulen and the Gulen Movement can visit the following links to get accurate information.
Fethullah Gulen Movement
Fethullah Gulen
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man
Thanks for the detailed answer. It's tragic the degree to which these deviations have so penetrated Islam in both Pakistan and India. But I believe this is attributable to those 2 countries being among the first to be so fully dominated by the British. In fact, there was a spread of "revivalism" across the MIddle East starting in the middle of the nineteenth century. But particularly, aside from Egypt, in India and Pakistan.
In fact, of these various splinters, the one that was most closely associated with Wahhabism from the very beginning was the Deobandis. This continued into the 20th century, and it was Saudi Arabia who financed the proliferation of "madrassas" along the border with Afghanistan, run by Deonbandis, where the Taliban were indoctrinated.
The one point the Wahhabis have always used is "saint worship". It is a questionable practice, and so yes they have had success is luring other Muslims into their brand of fanaticism. But they themselves bring far worse innovations, particularly the abandonment of the traditional schools of jurisprudence (Mathhabs).
Free from these traditional constraints, they are able to re-invent Islam at will. And this is the Taliban version of Islam. It's an absurd caricature of Islam. It's a very terrible shame. But the fact is, they were a tool of the Pakistani government to colonlze Afghanistan. in fact, the only reason the Islamic rebel groups in Afghanistan had any success at all was for the windfall of billions of aid and military equipment poured on the "mujahideen" by Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the CIA. (often funded through drugs). But when the various groups started to bicker, Pakistan and Saudi Arabi (and the Americans) saw the Taliban as an opportunity to unify the country, and stabalize it for trade with the rest of Central Asia.
The Taliban did not stop drug production. They did for a while. But some say, like Masood, only to corner the market. It's well documented that they then monopolized the massive drug trade in the country (with the excuse that it was allowed if sold to non-Muslims).
Now to answer your questions:
1. Ismailis and Assassins were Gnostics, and taught the worship of Lucifer in their highest grades. I don't think their "persecution" justifies their resorting to terrorism.
2. The entire CIA project, following the suggestion from Brzezinski (himself influenced by Bernard Lewis) was to employ the MB in Afghanistan against the Russians. Of the proliferation of rebel groups, it was all MB affiliated groups which they chose to support, particularly Hekmetyar. This was all coordinated with the assistance of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. And bin Laden was the one to deliver funds. He's made out to have been a warrior in Afghanistan, but he did not fight. Mostly, he was carrying funds there on behalf of his sponsors, like Saudi intelligence. It was only later that the Americans began to build up his reputation as a "leader". But you look at the entire architecture of terrorism financing, and it is internationally integrated with all MB affiliated organizations, and fully supported by Western interests. It's too convoluted for al Qaeda to extricate itself from it.
3. Yes, it's a tragic irony that the only articulate opponents to Wahhabism these days are the Sufis. But the Sufis themselves only represent the appropriation of the occult into Islam. In fact, their sources were mostly the occult and pagan Sabians of Harran, who are the bridge for the transfer of occult knowledge from antiquity to the European Middle Ages.
As salaam alaikum,
I'm from India, where all the sects and differences are available and no body truly dominates the other. So its quite easier here to assess things from different sources. The problem that I have seen as the reason for the acceptance of Wahabbism is that they confront the other innovation in traditional Islam; like grave worship. You see, here in India, there are 3 major school of thought: 1) Wahabbis or Salafis (Mostly led by Jamaat e Islamia or Islamic Research Foundation), 2) Deobandi (Traditional Islam based on madh'habs, but without the innovation of grave or saint worshipping, mostly associated with Tablighi Jamaat and Deoband's famous madarassa) and 3) Barelvi (Traditional Islam based on madh'habs with the varying degree of innovations found and includes the majority population of the Indian Subcontinent, Asia minor and south east asia). The reason why Salafis or Wahabbism is propogating so quickly is because they have a very good argument or facade that they are following exactly what Prophet and his companions did. That makes them look far more legitimate body and their stance against innovations (although what they did itself is an innovation) is far more appealing to thinking young minds in the Islamic domain. It was good that you brought about the link between British intrigue and Wahabbi movement and I've read your book, its milestone in the research on world conspiracy. However, there are some things I'd like to discuss, for example,
1. Ismailis are the assassins, we know that much. But the reason why they had to become assassins is not that devious. Because, they were a persecuted sect and they had no ability to protect themselves with the army (until later till the Fatimids arrived and after their collapse). So they were really not that devious in assassinating politically important people. Atleast, it saved people from war (which takes more life) and they never targetted civillians. Not like the terrorists we see today. So there cannot be a comparison.
2. The link between Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda is not entirely clear, besides, the Taliban are not fitting the bill. They infact stopped opium production. The world knows that it faced a crisis and had to depend too much on central and south America for Opium, till Taliban existed. Also, the Taliban is not aligned to the Wahabbi school of thought. They are traditionalist, who mostly follow Hanafi Mazhab. Then why would they be part of the Wahabbi and muslim brotherhood orchestrated conspiracies.
3. The other aspect is Sufism. Its influence is seen most vividly on all the traditional schools and wahabbi's call it a heresy. There are too many things in Sufism that either borders on innovation or heresy and sometimes go beyond the borders. The other interesting aspect is that like Kabbalists, Sufis also believe in the pantheistic aspect of Godhood, in order words, Wajibatul - Wujud (I may be incorrect in spelling it). There is also a lot of speculation that the sufism that is heretical has its root in Shia'ism, which itself was a Jewish Intrigue during the time of Caliph Usman, Ali and Muai'wiya; perpetuated by Abdullah ibn Saba. Therefore, I really am very interested in Gnostic literature of Kabbalah and Sufism as they are to some or large extent similar. And I guess the deviation or subversive movements had infiltrated Islam right from the time of Caliphs.
These are either my conclusions based on my own research or imporvement after reading your book. I guess if you have time we can discuss on this, on this blog or some forum with a new thread. I'd really appreciate it.
Thanks anyways for the wonderful book that opens a new dimension to this research. You have no idea how inspired and awe struck I am by your work.
Thanks
it's hardly the place to write this, but i was wandering who if there is any one who knows good books about plots against Africa or the third world (we are extremely malinformed and there is no way of freely downloading a descent book)
i completely agree with the review
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Submit to the most numerous crowd who claims to speak for god.
I'm still waiting for god to publish a book in my language. Oh, why hasn't my people been blessed with prophets in direct communion with god!
I can tell by some of the comments you have your work cut out for you dispensing the truth. There are a lot of trendy, gullible people out there. Great site,loaded with info.
I just wanted to let everyone know here that Anatoly Fomenko, Russian author of the "History: Fiction or Science?" series, speculates that the real grave of Jesus exists at the foot of Mount Beykos (or Beykoz), near Constantinople, on the shore of the Bosphorous, where he was also crucified. He also believes that Jesus was born in the year we know as 1153 AD and was crucified in 1185 AD. He also believes that historical accounts of "Rome" and "Jerusalem" were often referring to the city we know today as Constantinople, though those names have referred to other cities as well. (The Italian "Rome", he claims, was nothing more than a small town prior to the 1300s AD).
This grave is known as "The grave of Joshua, son of Nun". Locals identify him as "St. Joshua", and the site is a holy place for current Muslims, and was also an important site to visit for the European Crusaders.
You may balk at how insane that all sounds at first, but I figured I'd let you know about it because this is a conspiracy site. Despite Fomenko's flawed and sometimes downright stupid books (--he proposes in his 4th book that the western coast of America was occupied by Russians prior to European colonization), I believe the bulk of what he says: that the history of real events has been inflated, relocated, and duplicated (both accidentally and intentionally) along the chronological timeline, and thus all the so called "dark ages", periods of decline and chaos, were fabricated to fill these gaps. He believes what we know as "Antiquity" are just misinterpreted reflections of the real medieval events, which are known but less famous parts of history.
It is believable to me mainly because of my mistrust in humanity-- the idea is, people distorted and remixed history at every stage in order to support the validity of current ruling powers. I can't remember why he claims that the church wanted to push Jesus's time back a thousand years, but I think that's how it started. The Council of Trent was a key turning point in this, and apparently there was a bitter struggle between those who were trying to push the new "Scaligerian" chronology, and those who knew of the real history of the world, which is why the Council persisted for 18 years, from 1545 to 1563 (Book 1, pg 359), where Fomenko also claims the official texts of the Bible were established. It is astounding to learn in his books of the dubious and scanty evidence that our pillars of chronology (The "Roman Empire", as well as the Greeks and Egyptians) are currently based on.
As for how this massively distorted historical conception may serve the global elite, I don't know. But it's to their advantage to keep us as much in the dark as possible. They probably just let it continue because they wouldn't want people to know the extent of deception humanity is capable of.
Anyways, you can see the part of his book that talks about Jesus's grave here: http://books.google.com/books?id=fSvlaZYbcwUC&pg=PA78&lpg=PA78&dq=Mount+...
And you can buy his books here: http://www.bookmasters.com/marktplc/01098.htm
ya i accept it, its true to a very great extent, who would like to share power. The only thing thats keeping this bizarre group alive is the hidden meaning the real fact................ once they loose that or once others know that then their value goes down under the dogs feet
It has been rightly said that Ibn Taymiyya has been instrumental in misleading a huge number of muslims to doom.Any person in his right senses can see through this fabrication when they claim that god has limbs body etc. Sits on a throne with one place vacant for Holy prophet etc. It is like any Hindu or a christian god. Islam is clear in defnition of God and till Ibn Taymiyya no one had atributed feauters to him.
Next regards to Abdul Wahab being a british agent is wrong but the British with their plan for breaking the Ottoman empire had a 100 year plan clearly laid out through which they tried to create divisions among muslims all over the world and unfortunately one of their spy Hempher trapped him in his freindship & inculcated wrong ideals in him which later became huge with it being formed Wahabism.
I would want a clarification from the Salafis. DO you really beleive god is as described by Ibn Taymiyya.
DO you think Holy prophet is like any normal human.
Did he not have ilm-e-ghaib (THen how was it that Islam came through PBH Rassolallah rather than being directly brought on earth) God is powerful is it not?
How did he see the angels with his naked eyes.
How did he see god & negotiate with regards to the prayers being limited to 5 than the earlier order.
All 4 Madhabs have links right from prophet till now but Salafis claim that Islam was polluted after 3rd generation for 600 years then based on what have the Salafis purified Islam? Based on Ibn Taymiyya.
Well I believe in Quran & Hadith.But Salafis are selective in Hadith & selective in the translation of Quran which suits their idelogy.If you are speaking of correct chain i would like to know that Hadith collection started only 230 years after the death of Prophet. Means to Say six generations had passed and lot of corruption crept in.Can any of you remember what your grandfather has said leave great great grandfather 6 generation behind. It is only Faith Right?
Out of collection of 6 lacs Hadith only few hundred are right eliminating repitition then the percentage wise 99.96% is wrong.
So dear brothers in Islam please stop this bull of practicing puritan Islam and follow the mainstream like Ahl-e-sunnah.
That's a beautiful but chilling Cree prophecy - so true. I think we are sons and daughters of God, manifestations of God, and we will bring our lessons we've learned back to God when we are done reincarnating. But we are not the whole of God, just a small splinter of God who is enjoying or learning.
Tom hank ís one of the Illum. bloodlines....too
on the highest level all THEY Illim.keep their hands together they know the plan the plot. On the lower levels they created shism, wars, one against each other..so nobody will know what is right or wrong..Creating chaos and many versions of the same thing. In the middle not many understand the story which is going on
Those up there see the pattern of what is happening while we dow the pyramid fight..even in opur famlilies.
It is time to laeve the personal point of view in the life.
Time to leave the bottom of the pyramide..it will in the end fall....remeber they count on us to sustain their mess